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Kale Ironfist · Jul 16, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

This is actually a legitimate complaint if only because Aeson (the Luxon Ritualist) was born blind. If he's already blinded at birth, why is he affected by the blind condition?!

DeBron · Jul 16, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Faer

And what about the Ritualists who turn their mask display off, hmm?

That's exactly what I thought when I saw this thread.

william1975 · Jul 16, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

ok to take the point of the ritualist not wearing their headgear, Government Flu points out they have their eyes closed. However im sure that there are few who actually go out without the headgear on, while they may have it as not visible this does not mean the charcter is not wearing it. Otherwise they would recieve no armour/rune/insignia bonuses from it.

Obviously some skills may be developed or worded so as to affect the ritualist second sight, or ability to see via the spirit realm, but not all of them are.

Blinding Flash for example, would not affect this. Throw dirst as well. These affect the persons eyesight by doing something physical to them, which would be blocked by the usage of the headgear.

While hyper realism is not necessary in a fantasy world some links to it are. Most of the skills that cause blindness are physical effects with no magic properties and shouldn't affect someone that doesnt actually use their eyesight and is already blind.

Maybe ritualist headgear should have an adaption to it that prevents them from suffereing from blindness from these sources.

I can imagine that some magical skills could be worded differently to cause blindness in the spiritual realm, many ritualist skills could do this, mesmer or elemental ones too.

There is a major issue however her that has not been mentioned, normally blindness only affect the usage of weapons, however the suggestion that blindness on the ritualist should affect their ability to see the spirit realm should mean that they can't use any ritualist skill effectively at all, as it interupts their abilty to see it.

Bouldershoulder · Jul 16, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Maybe it's not so much the blindness than how annoying being thrown at in the face with dirt actually is. I mean, who's to say the Ritualist is just distracted by the stinging filth...

william1975 · Jul 16, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Having dirt thrown on your face is distracting, despite your face being covered by a wrap, and causes you an inability to properly use your weapon, but having a fireball flung at to, being set on fire or struck by lightning doesnt distract you?

Sorry but I just don't think thats reasonable

Series · Jul 16, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by william1975

Having dirt thrown on your face is distracting, despite your face being covered by a wrap, and causes you an inability to properly use your weapon, but having a fireball flung at to, being set on fire or struck by lightning doesnt distract you?

Sorry but I just don't think thats reasonable

Exactly.... blindness=/=distraction, blindness is the inability to see with ones physical eyes. Ritualists never use their physical eyes to see.

tenshi_strife · Jul 16, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

this thread is making me die of laughter. look as stated before rits have [skill]sight beyond sight[/skill] which is addressing the cant be blinded thing, and yes in realism stakes they should probably not be able to be blinded but there is an issue of balance..... if they cant be blinded well 1 sight beyond sight is now useless and 2 [skill]Spirit's Strength[/skill] will be grossly overpowered.....

killer toast · Jul 16, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

run a AoM Rt/D

Bane of Worlds · Jul 16, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by killer toast

run a AoM Rt/D

AoM=Avatar of Melandru? you can't really run that on a primary rit or other professions as that is connected to Dervish's primary attribute, Mysticism, and it is an elite form so you can't have run that with Spirit's Strength anyway.

Back to topic
Ritualists have "Sight Beyond Sight" and volunteerly close their eyes when performing actions. Not to mention that they have strengthen their other senses by giving up their physical sight.

The immunity to all forms of blindness wouldn't be right as the ritualist would then be the only profession with an immunity to a condition while other 7 professions do not possess such advantages. Not to mention that it would needless to carry the skill, Sight Beyond Sight, and be replaced with a more useful skill for more damage output or an healing/prot skill. As to the headwrap, you could say it does provide a protection for "dirt" but a little amount may still get through which irritates the eyes and causes a momentarily distraction great enough that may cause the ritualist to miss.

Curse You · Jul 16, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

This is a game. You can shoot lightning, conjure fireballs, and heal people.

What's to say that the condition "Blindness" doesn't also cut off a Ritualist's ability to see clearly via the spirit realm.

MrFuzzles · Jul 16, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Game balance > Realism

If rits can't be blinded, it would only make sense that no classes but warrior should get an armor value on their headgear, that rangers can't fire their bow while being hit in melee, that paragons can only throw their spear once, and that the entire elementalist class be removed because there is no such thing as magic.

I was hoping the OP was just being silly and making a funny by creating this thread, but I'm starting to get a little worried now.

william1975 · Jul 16, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

I'm not arguing that Ritualists be immune to all forms of blindness just ones that specifically target the physical eyes, sight beyond sight would not be useless then, just usable for those skilsl that cut off the access to the spirit realm

Alos the point i have made is if you are cut off from the spirit realm how can a ritualist use any skill?